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will


Warwick Rowers, you should take action about this
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Angus_wr
Thank you very much for bringing these to our attention, Will!  We really appreciate it and are taking action to have this content removed.
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John RW
Why are Amir and Jacob mentioned in this?
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Angus_wr
Whoops! That was meant for Amir, so didn't mean to post here, but Jarod is absolutely right! 
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John RW
Thanks Angus and Jarod. I sometimes get lost in the thread of a topic and thought I had missed something. Re the topic, about 2 years ago I saw 2 full and uncensored WR films, WRs14 and 15, I think, on You Tube. It surprised me because of You Tube's usual censorship rules, but I did assume WRs had given them permission. I went looking for them when I saw this topic, but couldn't find them, so I assume they have been removed.
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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
Being a new member on this forum, it might not be in my place, but being a free speech advocate kind of person, I`ll dare it anyway. Why this extreme focus on illegal downloading, having all the films preceded by long and boring - and quite harsh and intrusive, for those of us who haven`t done anything wrong, but feel we are being looked at with suspicion for no reason - warnings? The law on the subject is generally known by anyone, and the fact you have some kind of tracing metode to detect downloads being misused, should be posted on the site were the downloading takes place, not on every single clip, I feel. I would have been very unhappy should I discover my new car had printed on the driver`s side door; "Stealing cars is illegal! This car comes equipped with both locks and s system enabling full disability of the vehicle, should it be attempted stolen." I am quite pleased the system is there, but I don`t want to be reminded of it every time I climb in to drive. 

I also can understand why you would not want full films and more downloaded and shared around, since that would undermine the legal sale and downloading from your site, which raises money for your organisation. What I find more difficult to understand, is if the point of the organisation is to create understanding and acceptance for gays in sports and elsewhere in society, why you are not more generous when it comes to people creating their own edits from excerpts of your original material, and that way both spread the message to people you otherwise would not reach, and maybe even reach new customers who came to discover your existenz solely because your material had been used as raw material for somebody else`s video? If posted on sites like Youtube, you would even be entitled to a percentage of the revenue the clip containing your content made.

Not to be rude, but your own Youtube page has as it`s latest post the trailer for the 2017 calendar - so now wonder many people think you are a thing of the past. Stronger focus and more effort on the Youtube page, resulting in more frequent and regular uploads, likely also would provide more subscribers - which again would mean more viewers and larger revenue from advertising. Which again would have strengthened the brand and increased the chance of new customers for the main site. And even more important - would have reached a bigger audience, and on a more regular basis, with the message and mission Sports Allies was established for. 

Selling the same products to mostly the same people year after year, might earn you money - but it will not contribute to increased awareness and acceptance for your cause. For that you need to reach new groups of people who are not aware of it already. 

With that in mind, I am quite puzzled more focus and resources have not been put into the Youtube channel. A suggestion, from the top of my head, would be a type of Christmas/advent calendar - presenting the various models of the announced to come WR 20 project in short teaser clips (and not too much nudity, due to Youtube`s weird inability to see nudity as anything other than porn), and after Christmas was over, continue with weekly vlog uploads mixing both previous and current models and content, to create interest also for the back catalog of material - and to introduce the viewers to Sports Allies and Warwick Rowers. 

Maybe, full frontal nudity being a no no on Youtube, it would be an idea to introduce a WR jockstrap, both to be worn for the Youtube vlog clips, and to be sold to fans? Again, maybe it is just me, but I imagine more people would want to buy a sexy jockstrap - either for themselves, or for someone they would like to see in it - (and perhaps even a cap, t-shirt, drinking flask or cup?), than a onesie. I also imagine there are many manufacturers of mens underwear falling over themselves to be linked to the famous Warwick Rowers, from Addicted to Aussiebum. Just to mention two brands which have used models not from the modelling world in their advertising previously. And therefore maybe not just a jockstrap, but a full WR mens underwear range could be on the cards? Both spreading the message and increasing income for the organisation.
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Angus_wr
Hi, New Member.  Thank you for your comments and I will be happy to address your concerns.  

Our content is almost unique in featuring amateur athletes who show extensive frontal nudity.  The participants do not wish to see their bodies being presented alongside or within the context of pornography, and I think this is perfectly reasonable.  

The proof that our warnings are required is that we must still have our content removed regularly from pornhubs, tube sites and porn torrenting sites on a regular basis.  We also take legal action where this can benefit the charity we support, and have recently received a substantial settlement from a well known media figure in France.

Similarly, our contributors allow frontal nudity within a context that preserves the dignity and seriousness of their intention.  When our content is edited by others, generally seeking to isolate the most explicit moments as sexual entertainment, this is a misrepresentation of our project and its objectives.

YouTube is part of the Google empire, which has never been a friend to us.   They struggle with the human body, and our content apparently makes them nervous.  YouTube wrote to us recently to clarify that we would not receive any monetisation from our YouTube site due to its "nature", so it's not an interesting avenue for us, or for freedom of speech.

Thank you for your thoughts on clothing - this is something we have done in the past, and are returning to at the moment.  

Once again, welcome to the WR family!

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bejjinks
On clothing, I would like a t-shirt, hoodie, vest or hat, something I can use to show my support for Sport Allies not something I can hide under my clothes. It does need to be tasteful since it will be visible to the public and it needs to be versatile so I could wear it almost anywhere. It could even be a bracelet or jewelry but it could be a conversation starter having people ask, "What is Sport Allies?"
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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
Thank you, Angus, for your kind and clarifying reply!:-)

If Youtube denies Sport Allies advertising revenue from the videos because the trailers contains some (mostly rear, I believe?) male nudity, I find that both shocking and hypocritical, taking into account some of the other content which is on the same site. But I also think there is a possibility that what was meant by the "nature" of the Warwick Rowers channel, did not so much refer to the content, but more that YT feel Warwick Rowers and Sport Allies uses the YT platform solely as free advertising, but not contributing any new and exclusive to Youtube content, which could generate interest and traffic to and for Youtube, and not just to what YT probably sees as a competing site? I very much doubt they would refuse you income from advertising generated from your videos, if those videos had been videos exclusively available on Youtube, new uploads frequently and fairly regularly uploaded, the 18+ age limit activated and the clips would only have had a limited content of rear nudity included.

Having typed male nude model in the search box I discovered the first Warwick Rowers clip was listed as number 31, a play list was listed first, and a clip by a photographer called Stas Vokman appeared as the first single post suggestion, listed as number 2. But the clip Warwick Rowers perhaps should take the best inspiration from was this one: 


Linking the semi (for YT) nudity to humour could perhaps both advertise the Warwick Rowers products and the Sport Allies cause better, since it could gain a larger audience, than just the ones interested in seeing nude men - and at the same time also normalize, and de-pornify, nudity in itself? Gaining acceptance and understanding for the fact that nudity doesn`t have to be associated with shame and low moral, but can be anything from just beautiful to funny; or just honest and expressive, celebrating and honoring life and the human being, not degrading it.

The thought of nudity and sex being shameful and linked to poor moral, has been used as justification for many violent sexual attacks over not only years, but decades and centuries. Certain cultures regarding people dressed in a certain way to be free game. Therefore more than hiding nude bodies from the world, or exile them into the darker corners of both the streets and the web, people need to be confronted with them, so they will learn that just because something is in play view, it does not mean it is meant to be accessible for anyone. Touching someone on their naked butt or thigh when they are undressed is not in anyway different to pressing your hands inside their pants, had they been dressed. There need to be an understanding between two or more people of when and under what circumstances it is okay to touch, and when it is not.

And how are people going to learn about, and adopt and adapt to, those borders, if they are not confronted with nudity anywhere else than in porn? 

Therefore, in a day and age where many actors no longer does nudity because they are worried about how the clips can be changed and abused, I praise the Warwick Rowers for their brave initiative to create the various products to spread awareness. 

But for the message to win ground and succeed long term, I don`t think it will be enough to limit the efforts to just one site with new releases every fortnight or so for the members - a trailer and some news reports once a year for the rest of the world. Both the message in itself, and the reasons why it is important, has to be - not repeated, cause that just bores people - but retold in different and new ways over and over, until people both knew and understood it to the full. 

Each and every individual on this planet view the world through their eyes, and understands and interprets it from their point of view. Therefore there isn`t one single approach or metode which is better to win them over or persuade them, all people have individual locks, consequently they all require different keys or codes for their hearts and minds to be unlocked, and to be receptive for new points of views or unknown facts. So even if the current project has succeeded in reaching many, I will dare claim it is mostly speaking to the before already converted, and has been far less successful in reaching those people who represent the problem, and who are the people within which these prejudices and stereotypes has been cemented, and therefore also through them is being continued. They are the reason the need for the message exist in the first place. But to reach them, and to be able to unlock their hearts and minds, would take much more than just photos and films with nude male rowers.

Those will be the challenge. But those are also the bar for real change and improvement in regard to gender equality and respect for people`s sexuality and individual life choices to be both accepted and respected to the full. To improve life and create harmony doesn`t take a majority, it takes a full consensus and unification across the various differences, but where all humans still are able to agree that all human beings are of equal value and entitled to respect - and therefore also must be respected for their individual choices, views and more. 

Until respect and acceptance for all is recognized as an absolute and self evident norm, we can never truly be free as individuals, since the insecurity of him, her or those over there could be a threat to us never will leave us. Only by accepting every single type of individual human being as an equal, regardless of color of skin, gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, mental ability or disability, taste in music or favorite football club, will we ever be truly free. And only if we are truly free can we ever experience full happiness. 
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bejjinks
Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader offers something to think about. I don't know if I agree but I'm certainly thinking about it.
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