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the most hot films ever, Felix and the other two guys are hot.
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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
I don`t know if it was the September film, or the August film (cause I watched them both back to back, being a member for just over a month, and hadn`t gotten through the previous months of films and photos before), but it was the one with the clips from the swimming pool, I was not very happy with the editing of. The idea might have been to pace the shifts to the upbeat music, but it also broke up the moments of genuine and authentic fun of the lads enjoying the water.

Maybe I am in a minority? But I find the moments where we get to some genuine smiles on their faces, and more of their energy and personality shines through, to be far more joyful and interesting to watch, and easier to connect to, than when they are more or less just copying poses from statues and being photographed. If I had had my wish all the black and white photo inserts in the movies would not have been there, instead we would have seen and heard more of what happened before and during the shoot. There is a limit to how much personality one single pose and shot can convey, but seeing and hearing them before and during, could tell us a lot about who they are as individuals - and also what it is like on such a shoot/photo session.

Sometimes I enjoy the music, and find it adds to the viewing experience - other times it just annoys me. Either cause I don`t like the music, or, like in this case, it take precedence over the actual shoot, resulting in the clip being overedited, and more a music video, than a behind the scenes docu. Editing a film, or part of a film, so the shifts in frames matches the beat of the music can look great - provided it doesn`t shorten the length of the frames so much it ruins the frames and the motives in themselves, more than the match between music and frame enhances the clip as a whole. And the latter was my impression of the selected clips from the footage of the playing around in the pool sequence we got to see. The frames were so quick and short I barely noticed which of the models/rowers who was in frame - far less was able to learn anything of their personality.

As a major rule you don`t cut a scene/frame as long as there is something going on in it. But if you have the same motive in frame over more than a few seconds (say if a model is locked/frozen in a particular pose, you either edit in different angles, or a close up or pan shot, to break the monotony and create some variation in the scene/frame sequence (unless off course you are David Decoteau whose films mostly are endless frames of guys walking around in white or black briefs, without anything going on whatsoever).

For the commercial success of the project, it is also important the editor is attentive and provides footage and frames catered to the full audience, and therefore makes sure all the models are featured from all sides and angles. Too much focus on one particular feature of the models, or just a few models, can make people feel dissatisfied, and even to feel cheated cause their particular favorite model or body type/feature was not shown as much as some other were.

Regardless what the product is, it is important to recognize that as long as you are the only one offering exactly that type of product or service, your customer base will remain more loyal and put up with paying a higher price for it too, then if one day there suddenly should be a competitor on the market, and your type of product or service will suddenly seem aged and obsolete.

My fear, since this is an idealistically driven project, is that some of the major porn studies should realize there is money to be made from more soft core and artful erotica, and by not spending money on costly projects as books and calendars, but exclusively provide either streaming or downloading, will be able establish sister and daughter companies of their hard core porn production studios - intended solely for the more high brow segment of the market - and offer content similar to the WR digital content, but with more frequent uploads, more models and to a lower price. Should that happen, not only would the idealistic message of Sport Allies be less spread and heard, the big porn giants would control even more of the market, and indirectly influence people`s views on both sex and their bodies even stronger than they already do. 

Therefore I think it is important that we as members do our bit, and both are more specific about why and what we like about anything from photos to films, books or calendars - but also where we think there is room for improvement - so the feedback given will be precise and honest enough to be of use when going forward with the project in the years to come. 

As anything else, shall this project survive in the future, it has to evolve with the times. Just repeating what was done last year, sooner or later will hit the wall. Either because people will lose interest, or because someone new will offer something similar, but slightly different, that will feel more up to date. 

Particularly when it comes to digital content, I think it might be a good idea - since the production costs mainly occur when the films are being shot and edited (transport, board, props and more, after they are offered on the digital platform the additional costs per copied unit should be minimal) - to consider if perhaps less would be more. In the sense that a lower price per film/subscription could provide a higher total income, cause more people would want to buy, than with the current price. More people buying would also mean the message being spread wider, and more frequently repeated, than now, when it seems many of the members/customers are the same ones year after year.

Let me hazard a guess, and say that most of you who are subscribers/returning customers over many years are not particularly worried over your own financial situation, and therefore doesn`t reflect much over the price you pay for the WR products you purchase. I am probably not the only one who have a single belt more expensive than the WR 19 film subscription, and who knows, some of you might even have thought the Spanish villa that impressed one of the twins so much, was a little cramped and close to the neighboring properties for you to even having considered to buy it to live or holiday in? 

For many people the world over, however, the WR film and photo subscriptions are too expensive for them even to consider. Especially for those living in those parts of the world were the message behind it could make the greatest positive influence for individuals, feeling to have support, and inspire changes in society as a whole. The more people who would be able to obtain and view the WR products, the more would learn about the idealistic inspiration behind them.
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GodneySpears
For me, I like the parts where they are posing for the photos. It's truly the BTS videos of taking photographs for this calendar. But of course, I like the part where they are having fun, but for my preference, I love those posing moments.

As for the poster above, the pricing of WR products has actually gone down compared to the year before when they launched them. And, the prices of their products are not expensive, when you consider the monthly material you get. After all, these products are not necessities like toilet paper or groceries, so they have to be charged at a certain price. It's the right idea under the theory of demand and supply to assume that more customers will buy if their price is lower, but are you certain that a slight drop in the price per unit is going to attract enough customers to make up for the difference? And, no, as I said, this is not a necessity, so the demand will be inelastic.

And for people who find the message so important, but can't afford the products, what exactly makes you think they will not spend that money on necessities but instead on digital content subscription? I'd be surprised if people who struggle with daily living are constantly thinking 'I can't wait for the WR to drop their price, so I can subscribe to their content'.

And finally, to write such a long essay only to include things like "some of you might consider buying the villa that impressed one of the twins so much" is pretentious and totally irrelevant. And I honestly can't take you seriously at this point.
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Aussie_nudist
And I honestly can't take you seriously at this point.


How can we be expected to take anyone seriously who cannot express their opinion succinctly (or spell crusader)? I admit I haven't read any of his/her/its posts in their entirety because I have better things to do with my time. I also find the lecturing tone of the posts very off-putting.
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bejjinks
On the one hand, @Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader does have some good points worth thinking about (and taking seriously).

On the other hand, he could improve his writing with brevity.
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emerson
The movie this year looks more like a music video clip than a documentary, I hope it changes next year to somethig more balaced between  bts  and video clip. May be prenting it as a sequency, australia, uk, spain and italy. not squeezing more than one cenary in one hour.
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Leo
I don`t know if it was the September film, or the August film (cause I watched them both back to back, being a member for just over a month, and hadn`t gotten through the previous months of films and photos before), but it was the one with the clips from the swimming pool, I was not very happy with the editing of. The idea might have been to pace the shifts to the upbeat music, but it also broke up the moments of genuine and authentic fun of the lads enjoying the water.

Maybe I am in a minority? But I find the moments where we get to some genuine smiles on their faces, and more of their energy and personality shines through, to be far more joyful and interesting to watch, and easier to connect to, than when they are more or less just copying poses from statues and being photographed. If I had had my wish all the black and white photo inserts in the movies would not have been there, instead we would have seen and heard more of what happened before and during the shoot. There is a limit to how much personality one single pose and shot can convey, but seeing and hearing them before and during, could tell us a lot about who they are as individuals - and also what it is like on such a shoot/photo session.

Sometimes I enjoy the music, and find it adds to the viewing experience - other times it just annoys me. Either cause I don`t like the music, or, like in this case, it take precedence over the actual shoot, resulting in the clip being overedited, and more a music video, than a behind the scenes docu. Editing a film, or part of a film, so the shifts in frames matches the beat of the music can look great - provided it doesn`t shorten the length of the frames so much it ruins the frames and the motives in themselves, more than the match between music and frame enhances the clip as a whole. And the latter was my impression of the selected clips from the footage of the playing around in the pool sequence we got to see. The frames were so quick and short I barely noticed which of the models/rowers who was in frame - far less was able to learn anything of their personality.

As a major rule you don`t cut a scene/frame as long as there is something going on in it. But if you have the same motive in frame over more than a few seconds (say if a model is locked/frozen in a particular pose, you either edit in different angles, or a close up or pan shot, to break the monotony and create some variation in the scene/frame sequence (unless off course you are David Decoteau whose films mostly are endless frames of guys walking around in white or black briefs, without anything going on whatsoever).

For the commercial success of the project, it is also important the editor is attentive and provides footage and frames catered to the full audience, and therefore makes sure all the models are featured from all sides and angles. Too much focus on one particular feature of the models, or just a few models, can make people feel dissatisfied, and even to feel cheated cause their particular favorite model or body type/feature was not shown as much as some other were.

Regardless what the product is, it is important to recognize that as long as you are the only one offering exactly that type of product or service, your customer base will remain more loyal and put up with paying a higher price for it too, then if one day there suddenly should be a competitor on the market, and your type of product or service will suddenly seem aged and obsolete.

My fear, since this is an idealistically driven project, is that some of the major porn studies should realize there is money to be made from more soft core and artful erotica, and by not spending money on costly projects as books and calendars, but exclusively provide either streaming or downloading, will be able establish sister and daughter companies of their hard core porn production studios - intended solely for the more high brow segment of the market - and offer content similar to the WR digital content, but with more frequent uploads, more models and to a lower price. Should that happen, not only would the idealistic message of Sport Allies be less spread and heard, the big porn giants would control even more of the market, and indirectly influence people`s views on both sex and their bodies even stronger than they already do. 

Therefore I think it is important that we as members do our bit, and both are more specific about why and what we like about anything from photos to films, books or calendars - but also where we think there is room for improvement - so the feedback given will be precise and honest enough to be of use when going forward with the project in the years to come. 

As anything else, shall this project survive in the future, it has to evolve with the times. Just repeating what was done last year, sooner or later will hit the wall. Either because people will lose interest, or because someone new will offer something similar, but slightly different, that will feel more up to date. 

Particularly when it comes to digital content, I think it might be a good idea - since the production costs mainly occur when the films are being shot and edited (transport, board, props and more, after they are offered on the digital platform the additional costs per copied unit should be minimal) - to consider if perhaps less would be more. In the sense that a lower price per film/subscription could provide a higher total income, cause more people would want to buy, than with the current price. More people buying would also mean the message being spread wider, and more frequently repeated, than now, when it seems many of the members/customers are the same ones year after year.

Let me hazard a guess, and say that most of you who are subscribers/returning customers over many years are not particularly worried over your own financial situation, and therefore doesn`t reflect much over the price you pay for the WR products you purchase. I am probably not the only one who have a single belt more expensive than the WR 19 film subscription, and who knows, some of you might even have thought the Spanish villa that impressed one of the twins so much, was a little cramped and close to the neighboring properties for you to even having considered to buy it to live or holiday in? 

For many people the world over, however, the WR film and photo subscriptions are too expensive for them even to consider. Especially for those living in those parts of the world were the message behind it could make the greatest positive influence for individuals, feeling to have support, and inspire changes in society as a whole. The more people who would be able to obtain and view the WR products, the more would learn about the idealistic inspiration behind them.
you have way too much time on your hands
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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
Aussie_nudist   I wasn`t English spelling was a requirement to understand the mechanisms behind price elasticity or building and solidifying a brand.
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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
GodneySpears  The issue isn`t the price per unit of digital material sold (cause those files can be copied again and again, the major cost is the production of the films and photos in themselves), but how much more - not only subscriptions, but additional products - that would be sold if the price per subscription was significantly lower, simply because more people, to download their monthly/fortnightly digital subscription material, would have to visit the web site. Therefore the issue would be if the cost of upgrading the digital capacity for downloads to cater for a much larger customer base as a result of lower subscription prices would be less than the increase in earnings due to more sold products. It isn`t rocket science. The more people you get inside your shop, the higher the likelihood of you getting sell. Therefore it makes sense to make the access to the "shop" as easy and inviting as possible. Dead cheap subscription prices could achieve that, and leave much of your customer base additional funds they likely could come to spend on more products, if they were priced right, or the incentives to buy large quantities were enticing enough (volume discount, one day only offers, this week`s special and so on - even bonus giveaways).

By having the digital subscriptions priced as high as they are a large segment of the potential customer base will leave it at glancing at the window displays (the trailer videos and publicity photos), and never step inside the "shop." And please don`t try to divert the point by nonsense about poor people not being able to afford. It is not the poor, but those groups which have normal incomes in low cost countries, or students, ordinary working class pensioners and people on disability support and more in the more wealthier parts of the world I am referring to, which are neither starving nor poor, but have limitations on how they can spend their money.

If the point with the project is to spread awareness and support for the cause, you will achieve that much quicker and more significant by expanding your customer base significantly by lowering prices per subscription considerably, so more people will be in a position to afford to buy. And if you at the same time use vlogging as a marketing and awareness tool, on sites like Youtube and more, the followers and viewers you gained there would frequently be reminded about the message, making the message far more dominant and significant as a consequence. The reason Instagram and Youtube have given the WR channels a tough time, is more likely to be because they believe it to be a porn site, and not an idealistic organisation, simply because some of the people working for them being confronted with the material don`t Warwick Rowers from Adam.

On Youtube there is a poster called Bryan Hawn, who posts videos containing semi nudity. He has 303 000 subscribers. This is a randomly picked example of the kinds of videos he does. Just imagine how many more subscribers the Warwick Rowers channel would have increased, if the uploads had been more frequent and more individually made for Youtube, than when just being the same standardized trailers? 

I know a vlogger who has 100 000+ subscribers. He hardly pays for anything thanks to sponsored cars, sponsored electronics, sponsored clothes and sponsored holidays. In addition comes all the free stuff he is being given, hoping he would include it in one of his vlogs. And he is not even nude on the clips (good looking and funny, though).

What I am trying to say is that if the point with Warwick Rowers and Sport Allies is to spread awareness for their cause, they are not going about it the optimal way. Cause when Bryan Hawn can get thousands of viewers and 303 000 subscribers to come back again and again to see how he will be exposing his butt and muscular body this time, what could not Warwick Rowers manage with their idealistic message and many more models, providing a wider range of personalities? Which again could have recruited new subscribers to digital subscriptions (provided the price was right!), leading to more products being sold, and the awareness of the cause both being spread further, and people more frequently being reminded of it. Selling the same product to the same people over and over, doesn`t spread awareness as effectively as if is a wider base of customers had been reached. 

And this is what it takes to get 303 000 subscribers on Youtube - a randomly chosen video of Bryan Hawn`s latest uploads:

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Antigenderstereotypificationcrucader
bejjinks   Thank you for defending me. I also find it kind of impressive you are able to let your intellect, and not your emotions, dominate your perception of what I write.

You are probably right I could have improved my writing. But English is a second language to me. And to my own defense, I write it better than I speak it.😉
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